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Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:41:00 - [1] I hardly ever post on the forums (or have that much time to read them to be honest) but after reading a fair number of the pages on this thread (eye strain anyone :( ) I felt I had to post something... I've used ghost training in the past, when I had burn out from playing eye (12 hours of moving POS stuff round and other similar mind numbing tasks) and it just lacked the fun element for me, but mostly when RL has dictated that I don't have time to play. I've got a full time job and two young children, so time is a premium and so if RL doesn't allow me enough free time, I can't play end of story. At the moment I've got three accounts, two currently active and one ghost training (until the patch) BS 5. I only reactivated the first two accounts recently as their ghost training skills finished and I wanted to set new skills training, but I don't have the time to really play with these accounts. The whole reason for still carrying on playing was hopefully in the near future RL might give me the opportunity to actually use what I pay for, at which point I would have all accounts active (which has been the case in the past). Training in this way has at least given me a reason to keep coming back, until now... If this does go ahead why should I want to resubscribe in the short term when I can't play, the only reason was to set my next set of skills up ready for when the account went inactive again. The best course of action for me at the moment is to either just quit entirely (and no you can't have my stuff, I'd rather split every stack up and see how many stations I could leave them in) or to move my two alts onto the account of my main and just keep that one active. Net result: 3 accounts active for 2 months out of three (I tend to ghost train a 30 day ish skill) gives a total of 24 months of paid for subscription over the year (so 12 x 60 day time cards). Now if I move the other two alts (not including the transfer fee) to my main account and keep that subscribed it's 12 months paid subscription in a year. 12 x 60 day time cards or 6 x 60 day time cards I know which one I'd rather have as a company on the receiving end of the cash. If I could play all the time I wouldn't mind as the accounts would be making ISK as well as training but as RL stands at the moment...
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:15:00 - [2] The biggest issue with all of this is the way it's been done, blaming it on balancing and calling it a bug etc... Just plain fail. When will CCP realise that no matter how they spin doctor things, lying in this fashion will always be seen through. Can we have the following balancing performed at the same time... 1) Remove GTC for ISK (as this unfairly affects people that can't play as much) 2) Remove macro miners - Search the character database for characters with stupid names (eg. nnhgyhhkk) and ban/deactivate them. How hard could this be, fair enough you could affect a few normal players this way, but if they've used a name like that.... 3) Remove RP generation on inactive accounts 4) Remove market orders from inactive accounts All these affect game balance just as much as the ghost training one, which still requires the inactive character to be subscribed to make use of the new skill etc. At the end of the day, ghost training allows you to traing a skill that you still need to be ingame to use and also to earn the ISK to buy (for more expensive skills at least) and so the people that play all the time are still training and earning the ISK to buy the skills/ships.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Lerand Gaunt True, GTC prices have gone up (in some occations to insane prices) but if you buy them at those prices, who is the idiot? The guy (gold-digger) who sells them or the guy buying them? How come you yourselves are incapable of understanding the statements you use when other people whine about XXX prices? Supply and demand. Ring any bells? Another reason for the increase in the ISK price for GTC could be down to macro miners as well! At the end of the day, they make enough ISK to buy them at whatever price they get put on at, it's easy ISK for them. So while there are macro miners in the game, the GTC could very well stay as high (if not higher) than it is now. Welcome to Macro Mining Online :(
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:29:00 - [4] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Vargo Hoat How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often. at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now How very true.. :(
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Helios vector Originally by: Lothris Andastar Originally by: Todoshi What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far? No they are actually off working. They dont need to reply to you. They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months. I doubt it'll drop by that much but if we take CCP's word for it that it the "Avalanche" of players using ghost training was affecting the database then it will have a noticeable affect. Either that, or the "Avalanche" was yet another excuse?
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Liranan Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Karina Mei Originally by: Liranan Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play. So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life... If this utility bill kept my freezer freezing, my refrigerator running and my house not unpleasantly cold, then happily. Stop creating fallacies and jumping off of them like they're solidly based. While you're at it try reading the actually wording of the post and not just your take on it. if you weren't making use of it means not using it, as in it's not doing anything, as in you pay the same for the electric you're not using. That was my point, which you completely missed. I'm not saying that I want something for nothing, just replying to a poster that said they were happy to pay for something they weren't using.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Simon LBowerbank BPO? What? Presuming Tech 2.. Aren't those reserved for BoD
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Gunner Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ... So Eve is for the rich? lol Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it? Depends on how many lots of $15 you're paying out, and what else you've got as an outgoing... Eve isn't the only thing that costs.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Karina Mei Depends on how many lots of $15 you're paying out, and what else you've got as an outgoing... Eve isn't the only thing that costs. Yeah, see that's my point ... If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list? Which is maybe going to be the reaction of a lot of people with numerous accounts. Personally this is my reaction to the change, but not down to the money issue. Mine is more due to the fact that I don't get to play much and just keep characters ghost training so I've got some incentive to come back to the game at a point in the future and start paying for all my accounts.

Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Adam Reed If your point is that allowing it will help them somewhere down the line, you've lost me, I don't see how it would. The board of CCP will have considered that when they made the decision and wouldn't have done it if it's likely to impact future profits. And everything they've done in the past has been so well thought out and implemented
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:57:00 - [12] It's not even really what they've done, it's the way it's been done that seems to have got a lot of people annoyed. Blaming it on "database issues" etc was a bit lame IMHO.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Venus Einstein Originally by: Wet Ferret I'm silently laughing at all the morons in this thread that are applauding CCP for becoming more and more like all of the other big names that everybody absolutely despises. Yes, good job CCP, good job. double signed,verified,copyied...... THIS IS THE MESSAGE FOLKS; WHATS COMMING UP NEXT QFT
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Annaphera In fact, if you are not doing those things, how are you going to be able (without resorting to a EULA violation) to use that shiny new toy your long skill enables? Just buy ISK with GTC's like so many people seem to do. No need to breach the EULA at all.
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Tara Yang Which we all know is utter CR@P. There is now maintenance done on that. They just don't want people making irrational decisions. Seems a very convenient coincidence

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